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Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 03:00:55 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #299 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Massad and Graciella Knives (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 2. Re: One last law question. (WoodyTX) 3. Katrina help (Ray) 4. Raw Meat for the Red Dog (buz_ed_alias@mac.com) 5. Re: Raw Meat for the Red Dog (WoodyTX) 6. problems with knife grappling (Graham Jamieson) 7. violence psychological implications (Mark Stuber) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:09:01 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Massad and Graciella Knives Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As per request, here is a link to the Masters of Defense knives, and specifically the ones designed by Graciella and Massad.--- http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/masters/ Tom Furman --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:17:01 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] One last law question. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Lock blade knives are not illegal, assuming that you mean a folding knife that has a locking mechanism to keep the blade from closing on your hand. Automatically opening blades, including switchblades, are illegal. I do not know the court's interpretation of a butterfly knife, but I wouldn't want to tempt them (especially since I suck with balisong blades). The 5.5" refers to the blade of the knife, not the entire knife. So the Cold Steel Voyager that I occasionally carry is perfectly legal, although it will definitely draw attention if a LEO finds it. http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/tx.txt Woody On 8/31/05, TJ Reid wrote: > Hopefully someone can answer this. Woody stated: > > >I can carry a knife with a blade up to 5.5", and (if > licensed) I can carry a concealed handgun. > > I heard from a cop in San Antonio, Texas that any type > of lock blade (switch blade, butterfly knife etc.) > were illegal even if they were 5 1/2 inches. I think > he said it was because it was easy to conceal those > type of knives, but if 5 1/2 inches is legal than you > can put that in your pocket. > > TJ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Katrina help Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net One way to help those impacted by Kartina... https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: buz_ed_alias@mac.com Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:34:42 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Raw Meat for the Red Dog Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At the risk of throwing a little raw meat into the grappling/blade work/use of force/Red Dog debate, how do some of the grimmer stories emerging in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina affect the various positions posited so far? Would the various factions in the debate change their tunes if the scenario was one where a homeowner confronted a looter, the fight went to the ground, blades came into play, and the loser floated down the Mississippi while the winner lived to see another day? Sounds to me like some areas won't be seeing any law around for at least a week; does that kind of vacuum change any of the positions delineated so far? No scenario has a single response and context will dictate what response is grasped as the seconds seem to stretch. Hopefully your training and your research will leave you able to employ an appropriate response should a crisis occur, but contexts can shift abruptly and and there is no shortage of people willing to offer second guesses after (or before) the fact. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:01:41 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Raw Meat for the Red Dog Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Ain't that just like a looter, to bring a knife to a gunfight?" Seriously, if I were in a place with limited law enforcement, I would carry at least one firearm, visibly brandished, preferably a long gun or a shotgun. Sleeping arrangements are simple: everyone in one closed room, with at least one gun handy. Nobody goes anywhere alone. That said, anything can happen and all situations are different. IMHO, controlling the knife is the most important thing you can do in that situation. WoodyTX On 8/31/05, buz_ed_alias@mac.com wrote: > At the risk of throwing a little raw meat into the grappling/blade > work/use of force/Red Dog debate, how do some of the grimmer stories > emerging in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina affect the various > positions posited so far? > > Regards, > > Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Graham Jamieson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 03:37:22 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] problems with knife grappling Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc MacYoung recently wrote (Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #296) : "My stance on trying to grapple with (or control the hand of) a knifer is "bad idea." Watch a couple of prison tape murders and you'll understand why. But, rather than step on anybody's toes...who is undergoing any such training and believes it valid ... I told the Red Dog story to get people to think. I even offerred to supply details and factors for people to consider " OK Marc why is it a bad idea to hold their knife hand (particularly with 2 hands)? And specifically what are those details factors you alluded to right at the start of all this. I was waiting to read them (and the knife grapplers responses) and was very dissapointed that you never got round to stating them. Graham --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Mark Stuber" To: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:03:20 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] violence psychological implications Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As a leo/jailer/prison guard for 15 years I have had the opportunitity to interact with a number of individuals who have well proven skill in using high levels of violence on other people. The fact that most of them were on the other side of the bars shows the legal folly of their lifestyle. More importantly I noticed that with rare exceptions these violent men were psychologically damaged and disfunctional. The rare exceptions, who had proven records and no obvious psychological impacts, all had very clear and unambiguous moral justifications for their violence. My personal suspicion is that using violence on other human beings in questionable circumstances has negetive psychological impacts. The more repetitions the more severe the impact. Clearly, if as martial artists we teach violence without morality we are setting our students up for prison time. A more important question for me is, am I giving my students enough moral foundation that they can survive a violent encounter both legally and psychologically? I don't claim to be any kind of expert on this but would like to see more discussion of the moral aspects of training . Any thoughts Animal? Mark Stuber --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest